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Saddam Hussein and WMDs

So much of the animosity toward the Iraq war is based around the existence of WMDs. No, we didn’t find massive stockpiles of them. We also know he used WMD against his own people in the past, and he was putting up a front that he had and was producing additional WMD, probably as a foil to Iran.

New articles are coming out that he was indeed pursuing additional WMD. This one at National Review puts together a lot of evidence toward those charges: National Review: Saddam: What We Now Know . I’m a supporter of the Iraq war, and I’m always glad to see vindication of my opinions.

Another good read on the subject is Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq, written by Michael Gordon and Bernard Trainor. Gordon is the chief military correspondent for the New York Times (don’t hold that against him), and Trainor is a retired Marine General and academic. I got a lot out of this book, and highly recommend it.

H/T to Blackfive for the pointer.

Additional info:
Duelfer Report
Iraqi Perspectives Report Saddam And Terrorism: Emerging Insights From Captured Iraqi Documents
From this followup: National Review: Saddam, WMD’s, and Terror

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  1. September 16, 2011 at 11:42 am

    See also: Dead Horse, beating of.

    I gave up on that years ago, why bother?

    The info was out there before, common sense and a non-doublethinkful-memory are all that is needed to figure out he wasn’t lying.

    Everybody in the world, from the UN to Clinton’s administration (including Sec State and NSA), to foreign gov’ts (we were warned by everyone from the Saudis to Jordan to the UN to Putin) to movies (Hot Shots parts une and deux to name only two) to Leno to Saddam himself, were saying the same things Bush said and yet, Bush was the one person who knew (remember the stories about how “even Saddam believed”?) and lied us into war.

    If all that isn’t enough, a little more truth won’t do any good and besides, Bush is gone. He’s not running again.

    If someone does bring it up, I just point, laugh and say, “Yup, that Bush. He was saying what everybody else in the world was saying but that machiavellian idiot actually knew it was a lie. Pull the other one, it has bells on it.”

    That doesn’t change any minds, but if they’re so steeped in doublethink as to actually believe that idiocy then nothing you could say has a chance in hell of changing them.

    Pointing and laughing does just as much good and it’s a lot more fun and less aggravating.
    As they say, you can’t teach pig to sing, and trying just annoys both you and the pig.

    • September 16, 2011 at 12:30 pm

      I hear ya. More than a few people have said to point and laugh. Ain’t gonna change any minds anyway, at least not the one that’s arguing with you.

      It’s the person sitting a little ways off, listening, that I’m after. He/she is the mind that you can change. Otherwise they would be arguing too.

  2. September 16, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    yeah, but…….

    Saying what I said, how everybody in the world were saying the same things, is shorter, to the point, common sensical and irrefutable. When people argue against that they look like the partisan hacktastics they are.

    Plus, when you’re making fun of an idiot, nobody wants to be on the idiot’s side.

    If you get all detailed, you just end up rooting in the mud as some intellectually dishonest asshole gets all obfuscatory and uses his own “facts”, like how Scott Ritter said that Saddam had no weapons. (after getting $millions from Saddam to make a “documentary” he never made, but they leave that out).

    Further, who cares? Bush is gone and in about 5 or 10 years, he’ll be a “Good Republican”, just like Ronnie Raygun became 20 years after he left office, not like the currently evil Rethuglican. Did you see how McCain when from Maverick to evil Rethuglican in nothing flat?
    In the 80s and 90s, Ronnie was just as bad as Bush, he was a senile fool and his advisors were evil while Bush was stupid and evil and his advisors were extra/cartoonishly-evil. now, “Ronnie was someone we could work with” (leaving out how Carter and Kennedy, to name only two, worked with the Soviets to try to defeat him electorally).

    • September 16, 2011 at 1:03 pm

      you are entirely correct about the Republican of the past effect™. It’s even easier for them to do with Reagan, since he’s not around to defend himself.

  3. September 16, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    While deployed to Iraq in 2007, Hubby had to treat Iraqi women and children that had been exposed to chlorine and mustard gases. And no amount of proof would find its way into our media.

    • September 16, 2011 at 3:16 pm

      Ugh, that’s terrible, Aggie. I’m glad that the truth can find it’s way out about this man, even if it’s a little at a time.

  4. September 16, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    A bit late to the game. But what always struck me as odd (and correct my failing memory if it is wrong), was we gave Saddam at least a couple of months (or more) before we invaded. Especially with bio and chemical weapons, this is more than enough time to find some way to either hide them, destroy them, or disperse them to other areas or countries (his allies/fellow travelers). So why on earth was it “so surprising” none were found for the taking, when we invaded? Saddam was many things … evil, a despot, an opportunist, but (for the most part) he was not necessarily, foolish enough to leave this kind of damning evidence laying around waiting to be easily found.

    • September 16, 2011 at 3:57 pm

      In my readings on the subject, he did such a good job of inflating his WMD capabilities to fool Iran that he fooled everyone else along the way. That’s why everyone thought he had more than he did.

      At least that was the findings of Cobra II. Completely understandable, too. I would think that the chinless ophthalmologist in Syria would have messed up and exposed any shipments of WMD to there by now. Or Israel would have heard about it.

  5. September 16, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    He had the capabilities, stockpiles aren’t all that necessary when you can make them quickly.

    One base had shells for dispersing nerve gas, it also had the chemicals used to make nerve gas.

    But if you mixed the gases a different way, they could be used for insect killing gas.

    So Minitrue always noted that the “shells were old” and ignored the ingredients because they were for killing insects.
    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/wikileaks-confirms-other-ignored-reports-about-iraq-wmds

    As I said before, getting into the mud with the intellectually dishonest/doublethink specialist is a waste of time.

    It doesn’t change the casual bystander as they start thinking, “A pox on both” as they can’t figure out who’s lying.

    But if you note that everybody in the world was saying the same thing, then they start to think, “Hey, maybe Bush wasn’t the only one who knew and therefore, a liar.”

    Saddam didn’t have WMDs, everybody knows that, trying to say differently is about as worthwhile as arguing global worming with a member of that religion.

  6. September 16, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    I thought some had been “found”. Again, either chem or bio. The truth as far as his nuclear potential goes, is that other than him buying a bomb from some other bad actor, he was nowhere near even thinking about “getting one of his own”, let alone having any form of transport (missile, and or bomber) for same.

    Still we, and the rest of the world were “suckered into” his tales of mass stockpiles. Of this there is no argument. I am only suggesting in the case of chemical, and especially biological weapons, you need a very small amount to go a long long way.

  7. September 16, 2011 at 6:35 pm
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